{"id":4109,"date":"2015-10-18T13:15:15","date_gmt":"2015-10-18T12:15:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/?p=4109"},"modified":"2015-10-18T13:15:15","modified_gmt":"2015-10-18T12:15:15","slug":"%e1%bc%80%ce%b3%ce%b1%cf%80%e1%be%b6%cf%84%ce%b5-%cf%84%e1%bd%b0%cf%82-%ce%b3%cf%85%ce%bd%ce%b1%e1%bf%96%ce%ba%ce%b1%cf%82-eph-5-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2015\/10\/18\/%e1%bc%80%ce%b3%ce%b1%cf%80%e1%be%b6%cf%84%ce%b5-%cf%84%e1%bd%b0%cf%82-%ce%b3%cf%85%ce%bd%ce%b1%e1%bf%96%ce%ba%ce%b1%cf%82-eph-5-25\/","title":{"rendered":"\u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03c0\u1fb6\u03c4\u03b5 \u03c4\u1f70\u03c2 \u03b3\u03c5\u03bd\u03b1\u1fd6\u03ba\u03b1\u03c2… (Eph 5.25)"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"1810151\"<\/a><\/p>\n

J’\u00e9tais en train d’\u00e9couter un discours biblique hier quand mon regard s’est port\u00e9 sur \u00c9ph\u00e9siens 5.25<\/strong>, o\u00f9 l’on trouve cette expression \u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03c0\u1fb6\u03c4\u03b5 \u03c4\u1f70\u03c2 \u03b3\u03c5\u03bd\u03b1\u1fd6\u03ba\u03b1\u03c2. C’est assez amusant : hors de son contexte, cela signifie \u00ab\u00a0aimez les femmes\u00a0\u00bb. On n’est pas loin du \u00ab\u00a0Femmes je vous aime\u00a0\u00bb… Mais tirer ce type d’expression de son contexte est hasardeux.<\/p>\n

Quand on regarde le contexte imm\u00e9diat, on voit bien les \u03b5\u1f01\u03c5\u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd\/\u03b5\u1f01\u03c5\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 au v.28 et \u1f15\u03ba\u03b1\u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03c2 \u03c4\u1f74\u03bd \u03b5\u1f01\u03c5\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 au v.33. Au-del\u00e0 du contexte, toutefois, c’est une tournure fr\u00e9quente (cf. ESNT 1996 : 216<\/a>). Mes yeux ont automatiquement saut\u00e9 sur l’apparat du volume que j’avais dans les mains (la Biblia Sacra<\/em><\/a>), car j’\u00e9tais \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s s\u00fbr de savoir ce que j’y trouverai ; sans surprise, quelques copistes n’ont pas r\u00e9sist\u00e9 \u00e0 la tentation de pr\u00e9ciser, pour \u00e9viter toute \u00ab\u00a0\u00e9quivoque\u00a0\u00bb :<\/p>\n

\"1810152\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Cette tournure se rencontre aussi en fran\u00e7ais d’ailleurs. On ne dit pas : Je me suis fait mal \u00e0 ma<\/strong> main<\/em>, mais Je me suis fait mal \u00e0 la<\/strong> main,\u00a0<\/em>ou Elle ferme ses<\/strong> yeux<\/em>, mais plus volontiers Elle ferme les<\/strong> yeux<\/em>. On observe ce ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne quand l’appartenance est \u00e9vidente :<\/p>\n

\n

En principe, on remplace le d\u00e9terminant possessif par l’article d\u00e9fini quand le rapport d’appartenance est assez nettement marqu\u00e9 par le contexte, notamment devant les noms d\u00e9signant les parties du corps, les facult\u00e9s intellectuelles. Grevisse\/Goose 1993, \u00a7591 p.910<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

O\u00f9 l’on remarque l’importance de la syntaxe dans l’ex\u00e9g\u00e8se…<\/p>\n

Daniel B. Wallace fait \u00e9tat d’une anecdote cocasse concernant un autre passage, Matthieu 26.2<\/strong>7 : \u03c0\u03b9\u1f73\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03be \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03c0\u1f71\u03bd\u03c4\u03b5\u03c2. Au lieu de traduire Tous, buvez-en<\/em> (c’est-\u00e0-dire ne buvez pas tout, mais partagez !!!), la King James Version<\/em> rend ainsi : Drink ye all of it<\/em>, Buvez tout<\/em>…<\/p>\n

\n

Matt 26:27\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u03c0\u03af\u03b5\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03be \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6<\/strong> \u03c0\u03ac\u03bd\u03c4\u03b5\u03c2
\ndrink from it<\/strong>, all [of you]<\/p>\n

The unfortunate translation found in the King James Version (\u201cDrink ye all of it\u201d) has caused a great deal of confusion. S. Lewis Johnson, Jr. has often told the story of the country preacher who, having no knowledge of Greek, assumed that \u201call\u201d referred to the wine and \u201cof it\u201d modified the \u201call\u201d (in which case it would have to be put in the acc. case as the direct object of \u03c0\u03af\u03b5\u03c4\u03b5). Having a rather small congregation, coupled with a liturgical tradition that required a pitcher of wine to be filled for the weekly Communion, the pastor found himself in a moral quandary. Every Sunday, after the tiny flock departed, the good reverend would down the pitcher and become drunk\u2014all because he misunderstood this verse! ESNT 1996 : 372<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

J’\u00e9tais en train d’\u00e9couter un discours biblique hier quand mon regard s’est port\u00e9 sur \u00c9ph\u00e9siens 5.25, o\u00f9 l’on trouve cette expression \u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03c0\u1fb6\u03c4\u03b5 \u03c4\u1f70\u03c2 \u03b3\u03c5\u03bd\u03b1\u1fd6\u03ba\u03b1\u03c2. C’est assez amusant : hors de son contexte, cela signifie \u00ab\u00a0aimez les femmes\u00a0\u00bb. On n’est pas loin du \u00ab\u00a0Femmes je vous aime\u00a0\u00bb… Mais tirer ce type d’expression de son contexte est […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[7,294],"tags":[760,761,762,763],"class_list":["post-4109","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-grec-biblique","category-reflexions","tag-article","tag-determinant-possessif","tag-ephesiens-5-25","tag-matthieu-26-27"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3MfBZ-14h","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1397,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2014\/03\/06\/la-bible-le-texte-en-ses-contextes-babut-2013\/","url_meta":{"origin":4109,"position":0},"title":"La Bible : le texte en ses contextes (Babut, 2013)","author":"areopage","date":"06\/03\/2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Jean-Marc Babut\u00a0a publi\u00e9 derni\u00e8rement un nouvel ouvrage touchant \u00e0 la traduction biblique, et c'est toujours un plaisir que de le lire. 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