{"id":14,"date":"2013-07-02T20:35:57","date_gmt":"2013-07-02T19:35:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/didierfontaine.wordpress.com\/?p=14"},"modified":"2013-07-02T20:35:57","modified_gmt":"2013-07-02T19:35:57","slug":"%e1%bc%80%ce%bb%ce%bb%ce%b1-%e1%bc%80%ce%bb%ce%bb%ce%b1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/07\/02\/%e1%bc%80%ce%bb%ce%bb%ce%b1-%e1%bc%80%ce%bb%ce%bb%ce%b1\/","title":{"rendered":"\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac&#8230; \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><b>Jean 15.19 : faut-il traduire par mais&#8230; mais, ou mais&#8230; et ?<br \/>\n<\/b><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><b>\u03b5\u1f30 <\/b>\u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u1f26\u03c4\u03b5 <i>si vous \u00e9tiez du monde<\/i><\/div>\n<div>\u1f41 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c2 <b>\u1f02\u03bd <\/b>\u03c4\u1f78 \u1f34\u03b4\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03c6\u03af\u03bb\u03b5\u03b9 <i>le monde aimerait ce qui est sien<\/i><\/div>\n<div><b>\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03b4\u1f72<\/b> \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03ad <i>mais parce que vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas du monde <\/i><\/div>\n<div><b>\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u02b9<\/b> \u1f10\u03b3\u1f7c \u1f10\u03be\u03b5\u03bb\u03b5\u03be\u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 <i>mais parce que je vous ai choisis du monde<\/i><\/div>\n<div><b>\u03b4\u03b9\u1f70 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c4\u03bf<\/b> \u03bc\u03b9\u03c3\u03b5\u1fd6 \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f41 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c2 <i>voil\u00e0 pourquoi le monde vous hait<\/i><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Pour comprendre l&rsquo;usage qui est fait de la conjonction \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac en Jean 15.19, il faut rappeler qu&rsquo;elle peut servir (entre autres) :<\/div>\n<div>* au retour du positif apr\u00e8s une n\u00e9gation (ex. ne pas&#8230; mais) : \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1f72\u03bd \u1f10\u03c3\u03b8\u03b9\u03b5\u03b9, \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1f70 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u1f7a \u03c0\u03af\u03bd\u03b5\u03b9 <i>Il ne mange pas mais boit beaucoup<\/i><\/div>\n<div>* compl\u00e9ter une id\u00e9e n\u00e9gative \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f10\u03b8\u03ad\u03bb\u03b5\u03b9 \u03bc\u03ac\u03c7\u03b5\u03c3\u03b8\u03b1\u03b9 \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1f70 \u03c6\u03b5\u03cd\u03b3\u03b5\u03b9 :<i> il ne veut pas se battre <b>et <\/b>s&rsquo;enfuit <\/i>(ce qui est s\u00e9mantiquement \u00e9quivalent en fran\u00e7ais \u00e0 l&#8217;emploi du \u00ab\u00a0mais\u00a0\u00bb, mais stylistiquement plus appropri\u00e9)<\/div>\n<div>Sur ces deux exemples, cf. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/2729860495\/encyclopaed09-21\" target=\"_blank\">J. Bertrand, <i>Nouvelle grammaire grecque<\/i><\/a>, Ellipses, 2e \u00e9d., 2002, pp.222-223.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>En Jean 15.19, il y a deux propositions principales :<\/div>\n<div>&#8211; \u1f41 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c2 \u1f02\u03bd \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f34\u03b4\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03c6\u03af\u03bb\u03b5\u03b9<\/div>\n<div>&#8211; \u03b4\u03b9\u1f70 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c4\u03bf \u03bc\u03b9\u03c3\u03b5\u1fd6 \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f41 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c2<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ces deux propositions principales sont introduites respectivement par \u03b5\u1f30 et \u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03b4\u1f72&#8230; \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u02b9 (3 propositions subordonn\u00e9es). En somme Jean d\u00e9veloppe la m\u00eame id\u00e9e deux fois : le monde ne vous aime pas parce que vous n&rsquo;en faites pas partie (Son raisonnement est le suivant : <b>1\/ <\/b>Il aime ce qui est sien or il ne vous aime pas,<i> et le r\u00e9p\u00e8te sous une forme diff\u00e9rente<\/i> : <b> 2\/ <\/b>Il vous hait parce que vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas sien). Il pr\u00e9cise le motif : parce que je vous ai choisis (voir aussi Jean 15.16). C&rsquo;est un th\u00e8me fondamental chez Jean (cf. Jean 17.14, 16).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Bien que \u1f10\u03b3\u1f7c \u1f10\u03be\u03b5\u03bb\u03b5\u03be\u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 soit pr\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9 d&rsquo;un \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac qui est bel et bien adversatif, les deux propositions <b>ne s&rsquo;opposent mais s&rsquo;explicitent<\/b> l&rsquo;une l&rsquo;autre:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><b>\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03b4\u1f72<\/b> \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03ad <b>\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u02b9<\/b> \u1f10\u03b3\u1f7c \u1f10\u03be\u03b5\u03bb\u03b5\u03be\u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 <b>\u03b4\u03b9\u1f70 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c4\u03bf<\/b> <i><b>mais <\/b>parce que vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas du monde <b>mais <\/b>parce que je vous ai choisis du monde,<b> voil\u00e0 pourquoi<\/b><\/i><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>C&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire (en meilleur fran\u00e7ais) : <b>MAIS <\/b>parce que vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas du monde <b>ET <\/b>que je vous ai choisis du monde&#8230; <b>VOILA POURQUOI&#8230;<\/b><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>C&rsquo;est une cons\u00e9cution. La conjonction compl\u00e8te l&rsquo;id\u00e9e n\u00e9gative en explicitant sa cause (ou pourrait m\u00eame mettre <b>PUISQUE\/CAR<\/b>). Cela ne remet pas en cause le caract\u00e8re adversatif de \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac, cette conjonction sert juste, ici, de prolongement \u00e0 l&rsquo;id\u00e9e pr\u00e9cit\u00e9e. Cf. l&rsquo;exemple de Bertrand n\u00b02 plus haut.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><b>&gt;&gt; <\/b>Le segment qui porte l&rsquo;opposition c&rsquo;est \u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 <b>\u03b4\u1f72<\/b> (mais parce que&#8230;): le \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac ne fait que <b>compl\u00e9ter <\/b>cette id\u00e9e n\u00e9gative (vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas du monde&#8230; car je vous ai choisis). Ce qui est \u00ab\u00a0n\u00e9gatif\u00a0\u00bb (ne&#8230;pas), ce n&rsquo;est pas que J\u00e9sus ait choisi des disciples (\u00e7a, c&rsquo;est un \u00e9l\u00e9ment factuel \u00ab\u00a0positif\u00a0\u00bb), c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;il fasse partie du monde (\u00e9l\u00e9ment factuel \u00ab\u00a0n\u00e9gatif\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; sans jugement de valeur en l&rsquo;occurrence).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jean 15.19 : faut-il traduire par mais&#8230; mais, ou mais&#8230; et ? \u03b5\u1f30 \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u1f26\u03c4\u03b5 si vous \u00e9tiez du monde \u1f41 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c2 \u1f02\u03bd \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f34\u03b4\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03c6\u03af\u03bb\u03b5\u03b9 le monde aimerait ce qui est sien \u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03b4\u1f72 \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03ad mais parce que vous n&rsquo;\u00eates pas du monde \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u02b9 \u1f10\u03b3\u1f7c \u1f10\u03be\u03b5\u03bb\u03b5\u03be\u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd \u1f51\u03bc\u1fb6\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[7],"tags":[743,53,13],"class_list":["post-14","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-grec-biblique","tag-grec-biblique","tag-jean-15-19","tag-13"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3MfBZ-e","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":332,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/08\/05\/que-signifie-%e1%bc%80%cf%80%e1%bd%b8-%ce%ba%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%b1%ce%b2%ce%bf%ce%bb%e1%bf%86%cf%82-%ce%ba%cf%8c%cf%83%ce%bc%ce%bf%cf%85-matthieu-25-34-etc\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":0},"title":"Que signifie \u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u03b1\u03b2\u03bf\u03bb\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5 (Matthieu 25.34, etc.) ?","author":"areopage","date":"05\/08\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Cette expression, ou sa variante \u03c0\u03c1\u1f78 \u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u03b1\u03b2\u03bf\u03bb\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03ba\u03cc\u03c3\u03bc\u03bf\u03c5,\u00a0figure dans un nombre appr\u00e9ciable de versets :\u00a0Matthieu 13.35, 25.34, Luc 11.50, Jean 17.24, \u00c9ph\u00e9siens 1.4, H\u00e9breux 4.3, 9.26, 1 Pierre 1.20, R\u00e9v\u00e9lation 13.8, 17.8. Les concepts th\u00e9ologiques qui y sont aff\u00e9rents sont extr\u00eamement d\u00e9licats : \u00e9lection, pr\u00e9destination, r\u00e9demption (\u2192 \u00e9tude th\u00e9matique, cf.\u00a0infra).\u00a0Il\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"2th2_13_thmes","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/2th2_13_thmes-300x198.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":88,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/07\/11\/quelle-difference-entre-%cf%84%cf%81%cf%8e%ce%b3%cf%89-et-%e1%bc%90%cf%83%ce%b8%ce%af%cf%89\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":1},"title":"Quelle diff\u00e9rence entre \u03c4\u03c1\u03ce\u03b3\u03c9 et \u1f10\u03c3\u03b8\u03af\u03c9 ?","author":"areopage","date":"11\/07\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"En grec classique,\u00a0\u03c4\u03c1\u03ce\u03b3\u03c9 signifie manger (en parlant des animaux), brouter, ronger, et pour un humain manger (qqch de cru), croquer, avaler\u00a0(cf. Magnien-Lacroix : 1902, Bailly \u00a0: 1972). Ce qui est curieux, c'est que Jean n'utilise jamais le verbe\u00a0\u1f10\u03c3\u03b8\u03af\u03c9 (manger, prendre de la nourriture) mais toujours\u00a0\u03c4\u03c1\u03ce\u03b3\u03c9 (il conna\u00eet n\u00e9anmoins \u03c6\u03ac\u03b3\u03c9) :\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1068,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/11\/13\/ou-est-le-royaume-luc-17-21\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":2},"title":"O\u00f9 est le Royaume ? (Luc 17.21)","author":"areopage","date":"13\/11\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"\u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1f72 \u1f10\u03c1\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd \u1f30\u03b4\u03bf\u1f7a \u1f67\u03b4\u03b5 \u1f24 \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u1fd6 \u1f30\u03b4\u03bf\u1f7a \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u1f21 \u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03b5\u03af\u03b1 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f10\u03bd\u03c4\u1f78\u03c2 \u1f51\u03bc\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03bd. et l'on ne dira pas \u2013 \"Voici \u2013 il est ici ! ou bien \u2013 il est l\u00e0 ! \" Car voici que le Royaume de Dieu est au milieu de vous. \" - Bible\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":8505,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2020\/04\/09\/%cf%84%e1%bd%b8-%cf%80%ce%bd%ce%b5%e1%bf%a6%ce%bc%ce%b1-%cf%80%ce%bd%ce%b5%e1%bf%96-jn-3-8\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":3},"title":"\u03c4\u1f78 \u03c0\u03bd\u03b5\u1fe6\u03bc\u03b1&#8230; \u03c0\u03bd\u03b5\u1fd6 (Jn 3.8)","author":"areopage","date":"09\/04\/2020","format":false,"excerpt":"\u00a0 \u00a0Le style johannique se distingue entre tous par un proc\u00e9d\u00e9 litt\u00e9raire savoureux, la \"technique du malentendu\" (Joh 2.19-22, Joh 3.3-5, Joh 4.31-34, Joh 6.32-35, Joh 7.33-36, Joh 8.21-22, Joh 8.31-36, Joh 8.56-58, Joh 11.15-16, Joh 11.23-25, Joh 12.28-29, Joh 14.4-6, Joh 14.8-9 ; cf. Vouga 1997 : 32, Reynolds\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/0904201-300x212.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":6659,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2018\/02\/18\/the-greek-new-testament-tyndale-house-2017\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":4},"title":"The Greek New Testament (Tyndale House, 2017)","author":"areopage","date":"18\/02\/2018","format":false,"excerpt":"L'\u00e9dition du texte grec du Nouveau Testament est une entreprise majeure. Jusqu'\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent les \u00e9ditions les plus courantes \u00e9taient le GNT5, le\u00a0NA28\u00a0et le SBLGNT. A ces \u00e9ditions vient d\u00e9sormais s'ajouter un texte assez prometteur (THGNT), paru il y a quelques mois chez Crossway. Sous l'\u00e9gide du Dr Dirk Jongkind et\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;critique textuelle&quot;","block_context":{"text":"critique textuelle","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/critique-textuelle\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/1802181-200x300.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":2162,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2014\/08\/10\/%cf%84%ce%b5%ce%ba%ce%bd%ce%b1-%ce%b8%ce%b5%ce%bf%cf%85%cd%82-ou-%cf%85%ce%b9%cc%94%ce%bf%ce%b9-%ce%b8%ce%b5%ce%bf%cf%85%cd%82\/","url_meta":{"origin":14,"position":5},"title":"\u03c4\u03b5\u0301\u03ba\u03bd\u03b1 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u03c5\u0342 ou \u03c5\u03b9\u0314\u03bf\u03b9\u0300 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u03c5\u0342 ?","author":"areopage","date":"10\/08\/2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Les chr\u00e9tiens sont-ils des enfants de Dieu, ou des fils de Dieu ? Il ne faut sans doute pas pousser la distinction tr\u00e8s loin, mais il semble qu'on puisse \u00e9tablir une distinction entre \u03c4\u03b5\u0301\u03ba\u03bd\u03b1 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u03c5\u0342 et \u03c5\u03b9\u0314\u03bf\u03b9\u0300 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u03c5\u0342. Du moins chez Jean. C'est l'impression que j'avais, et je suis rassur\u00e9\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}