{"id":1003,"date":"2013-10-22T21:32:40","date_gmt":"2013-10-22T20:32:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/?p=1003"},"modified":"2013-10-22T21:32:40","modified_gmt":"2013-10-22T20:32:40","slug":"matthieu-11-12-luc-16-16-probleme-synoptique","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/10\/22\/matthieu-11-12-luc-16-16-probleme-synoptique\/","title":{"rendered":"Matthieu 11.12 \/\/ Luc 16.16 : probl\u00e8me synoptique"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ce billet est peu orthodoxe mais tant pis. <a title=\"Matthieu 11.12, ou la violence au Royaume\" href=\"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/10\/21\/matthieu-11-12-ou-la-violence-au-royaume\/\">Le pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent post<\/a> a fait l&rsquo;objet d&rsquo;une objection trop importante pour que la r\u00e9ponse soit rel\u00e9gu\u00e9e dans les commentaires. Je me propose ici d&rsquo;y r\u00e9pondre.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">J&rsquo;avoue que c&rsquo;est un peu fastidieux, voire r\u00e9barbatif si vous ne prenez pas votre Bible en mains pour suivre au fur et \u00e0 mesure, mais j&rsquo;estime que c&rsquo;\u00e9tait n\u00e9cessaire pour faire \u00e9tat de ce probl\u00e8me synoptique, du moins tel que je l&rsquo;entends pour ces passages parall\u00e8les de Matthieu 11.12 et Luc 16.16. Ce n&rsquo;est pas une introduction au sujet, mais simplement une illustration possible.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pour r\u00e9sumer en deux mots, je pense que Luc 16.16 rapporte un authentique <em>logion<\/em> de J\u00e9sus, mais sans le contexte qui permet de le comprendre. <strong>L&rsquo;asp\u00e9rit\u00e9 de la source a \u00e9t\u00e9 gomm\u00e9e maladroitement par Luc, mais orchestr\u00e9e par Matthieu<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">R\u00e9ponse ici :\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/Mt11_12_Luc_16_16.pdf\"><strong>Matthieu 11.12 \/\/ Luc 16.16 : probl\u00e8me synoptique<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Je serai plus succinct pour les \u00e9ventuelles objections compl\u00e9mentaires&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ce billet est peu orthodoxe mais tant pis. Le pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent post a fait l&rsquo;objet d&rsquo;une objection trop importante pour que la r\u00e9ponse soit rel\u00e9gu\u00e9e dans les commentaires. Je me propose ici d&rsquo;y r\u00e9pondre. J&rsquo;avoue que c&rsquo;est un peu fastidieux, voire r\u00e9barbatif si vous ne prenez pas votre Bible en mains pour suivre au fur et [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[7,294],"tags":[330,329,331,327,323,332,328],"class_list":["post-1003","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-grec-biblique","category-reflexions","tag-benoit","tag-boismard","tag-jean-carmignac","tag-luc-16-16","tag-matthieu-11-12","tag-philippe-rolland","tag-probleme-synoptique"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3MfBZ-gb","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":971,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/10\/21\/matthieu-11-12-ou-la-violence-au-royaume\/","url_meta":{"origin":1003,"position":0},"title":"Matthieu 11.12, ou la violence au Royaume","author":"areopage","date":"21\/10\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"\u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f21\u03bc\u03b5\u03c1\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f38\u03c9\u1f71\u03bd\u03bd\u03bf\u03c5 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b2\u03b1\u03c0\u03c4\u03b9\u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f15\u03c9\u03c2 \u1f04\u03c1\u03c4\u03b9 \u1f21 \u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03b5\u03af\u03b1 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u03bf\u1f50\u03c1\u03b1\u03bd\u1ff6\u03bd \u03b2\u03b9\u1f71\u03b6\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b2\u03b9\u03b1\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f01\u03c1\u03c0\u1f71\u03b6\u03bf\u03c5\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03ae\u03bd. depuis les jours de Jean le Baptiste jusqu'\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent, le royaume des cieux est soumis \u00e0 la violence et les violents le saisissent par la force. Matthieu 11.12 est un verset d\u00e9licat\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"2110131","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/2110131-150x150.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1034,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/11\/03\/matthieu-11-12-et-le-texte-hebreu-de-shem-tob\/","url_meta":{"origin":1003,"position":1},"title":"Matthieu 11.12 et le texte h\u00e9breu de Shem Tob","author":"areopage","date":"03\/11\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Que faire quand un verset para\u00eet curieux, isol\u00e9, \u00a0paradoxal ? Je propose ici quelques pistes, qui ne sont pas exhaustives, avec Matthieu 11.12 \u00e0 l'esprit : 1. Texte et contexte - \u00e9tudier minutieusement le sens linguistique du verset, - puis analyser dans le contexte ce qui permet de comprendre le\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"0311132","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/0311132-150x150.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":7037,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2018\/09\/28\/un-roseau-agite-par-le-vent-matthieu-11-7-8\/","url_meta":{"origin":1003,"position":2},"title":"\u00ab\u00a0Un roseau agit\u00e9 par le vent\u00a0\u00bb ? (Matthieu 11.7-8)","author":"areopage","date":"28\/09\/2018","format":false,"excerpt":"\u0397\u03a1\u03a9\u0394\u039f\u03a5 \u03a4\u0395\u03a4\u03a1\u0391\u03a1\u03a7\u039f\u03a5. \u03a4\u0399\u0392\u0395\u03a1\u0399\u0391\u03a3 \u00a0 \u00a0Certaines des paroles de J\u00e9sus \u00e9taient volontairement \u00e9nigmatiques. C'est \u00e9tonnant quand on sait qu'il employait des paraboles facilement accessibles pour se faire comprendre [1], la plupart des images employ\u00e9es ressortissant du quotidien des Galil\u00e9ens de son temps. Ce mode d'expression n'\u00e9tait pas propre \u00e0 J\u00e9sus :\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/2709181-300x151.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1068,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2013\/11\/13\/ou-est-le-royaume-luc-17-21\/","url_meta":{"origin":1003,"position":3},"title":"O\u00f9 est le Royaume ? (Luc 17.21)","author":"areopage","date":"13\/11\/2013","format":false,"excerpt":"\u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1f72 \u1f10\u03c1\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd \u1f30\u03b4\u03bf\u1f7a \u1f67\u03b4\u03b5 \u1f24 \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u1fd6 \u1f30\u03b4\u03bf\u1f7a \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u1f21 \u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03b5\u03af\u03b1 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f10\u03bd\u03c4\u1f78\u03c2 \u1f51\u03bc\u1ff6\u03bd \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03bd. et l'on ne dira pas \u2013 \"Voici \u2013 il est ici ! ou bien \u2013 il est l\u00e0 ! \" Car voici que le Royaume de Dieu est au milieu de vous. \" - Bible\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;grec biblique&quot;","block_context":{"text":"grec biblique","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/grec-biblique\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":2111,"url":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/2014\/08\/01\/heureux-les-pauvres-luc-6-20\/","url_meta":{"origin":1003,"position":4},"title":"Heureux les pauvres (Luc 6.20)","author":"areopage","date":"01\/08\/2014","format":false,"excerpt":"\u039a\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1f78\u03c2 \u1f10\u03c0\u1f71\u03c1\u03b1\u03c2 \u03c4\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2 \u1f40\u03c6\u03b8\u03b1\u03bb\u03bc\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c2 \u03c4\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2 \u03bc\u03b1\u03b8\u03b7\u03c4\u1f70\u03c2 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f14\u03bb\u03b5\u03b3\u03b5\u03bd \u039c\u03b1\u03ba\u1f71\u03c1\u03b9\u03bf\u03b9 \u03bf\u1f31 \u03c0\u03c4\u03c9\u03c7\u03bf\u03af \u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u1f51\u03bc\u03b5\u03c4\u1f73\u03c1\u03b1 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u1f76\u03bd \u1f21 \u03b2\u03b1\u03c3\u03b9\u03bb\u03b5\u03af\u03b1 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b8\u03b5\u03bf\u1fe6.\u00a0Et lui, levant les yeux sur ses disciples, disait \u2013 \" Heureux, vous les pauvres, car le Royaume de Dieu est \u00e0 vous. 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Je propose de livrer ici des r\u00e9flexions compl\u00e9mentaires issues non seulement de mes p\u00e9r\u00e9grinations dans cette traduction, mais aussi des\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;actualit\u00e9s&quot;","block_context":{"text":"actualit\u00e9s","link":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/category\/actualites\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1003","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1003"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1003\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1007,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1003\/revisions\/1007"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1003"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1003"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/areopage.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1003"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}